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larvatusSolzhenitsyn once dedicated his life to the fight against the regime in which the state security machine made everyone feel an accomplice in turning the country into a prison camp. He has now become part of a society where the mass media are reduced to self-censoring impotence, Soviet style; dissident artists and writers are regularly beaten up; journalists who expose corruption and the abuses of centralized political power are murdered. And yet Solzhenitsyn is silent; silent even when his most cherished idea of saving Russia by strengthening the independence of local government, Swiss-style, was first ridiculed in the press and then trampled over by a presidential decree that reinstalled the central authority of the Kremlin over the whole of Russia. On the whole, Solzhenitsyn avoids public appearances these days and refrains from public utterances. And yet, he found the time and energy to express his approval of the recent cutting off of gas supplies to Ukraine for a discount price “because that country tramples over Russian culture and the Russian language and allows NATO military manoeuvres on its territory”. Oh well. My country, right or wrong.
—Zinovy Zinik, Blue-collar Solzhenitsyn, The Times Literary Supplement, March 07, 2007
—Zinovy Zinik, Blue-collar Solzhenitsyn, The Times Literary Supplement, March 07, 2007
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Date: 2007-03-08 12:11 pm (UTC)как отвечает армянское радио:
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Date: 2007-03-08 09:44 pm (UTC)> a bourgeois trick,
I don't think that's accurate. There indeed was the proposition that the moral values are relative and always determined by the class interests. But the denial of objective truth would have been quite out of character for the avowed materialists and scientists. You must be confusing Vladimir Lenin and Vaclav Havel, both, admittedly, detestable characters each in his own way.
Note also that we are talking about the higly secret internal documents.
By the way, "Memorial" seems to be taking them seriously enough to link them from their web site, by which route I found them.
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Date: 2007-03-08 10:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-10 12:12 pm (UTC)The kind of numbers that Solzhenitsin and Conquest give are not like a needle in a haystack. Those alleged tens of millions of prisoners would have left a paper trail.
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Date: 2007-03-10 07:41 pm (UTC)> class-oriented character of truth.
While I can't claim being there, I have my great doubts about that.
Once again, we are not talking about documents they released to the general public. It is manifestly impossible to transport,feed and clothe the vast numbers claimed by Conquest, without leaving significant evidence behind.
By the way, as you are quite aware, Сonquest is bitterly partisan. It would have been extremely foolish to trust his guesstimates over the declassified archive materials.
to simplify:
Date: 2007-03-11 01:07 am (UTC)Re: to simplify:
Date: 2007-03-11 10:21 am (UTC)Internal statistics of a secret police have to be non-partisan for practical reasons. I can't really imagine that anyone can genuinely believe that Conquest's work, based on hearsay and estimates, is more credible than the results of the actual archive research (http://www.memo.ru/history/NKVD/GULAG/index.htm).
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Date: 2007-03-12 02:35 am (UTC)Re: to simplify:
Date: 2007-03-12 07:04 pm (UTC)Not all of them. Having to feed, clothe and transport the prisoners is not partisan reason.
My mistrust extends equally to the propaganda departments of either service.
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Date: 2007-03-15 11:30 pm (UTC)Returning to the subject at hand, you seem to be unaware, that publicist Conquest is vigorously criticised by the scholars of history such as Wheatcroft, Davies and J.Arch Getty. His is the minority and rather extreme position. And here (http://newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=1929), you can enjoy the spectacle of Conquest vigorously backpedalling (http://newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=1877) from the estimates (http://newleftreview.org/?page=article&view=1879) he publicised (http://newleftreview.org/?view=2087) in "The Great Terror" and elsewhere in the 60-70s. Contrast that to your "I told you so" anecdote.
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Date: 2007-11-22 11:26 pm (UTC)If Conquest retracts his estimates, his response betokens honesty that you’ve yet to evince in these tortuous Stalinist apologetics. “NKVD tells the truth. More news at 11.”
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Date: 2007-11-23 11:31 pm (UTC)Conquest's grudging retraction is incompatible with his claims that post-Soviet published archives vindicate his estimates ("I told you so").
The answer to the question is still "neither". Don't burst a blood vessel, please, it would deprive the world of the proposed great scheme to get paid for ЖеЖе comments.
Re: to simplify:
Date: 2007-11-23 11:42 pm (UTC)My original question was: “If you had to choose between lying to others and lying to yourself, which would it be?” A man would answer “the former” or “the latter”. Any other answer betokens a bitch.
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Date: 2007-12-12 07:46 pm (UTC)> catastrophic losses of life in the purges and forced labor is Stalinist
> apologetics.
The Conquest's numbers are still widely off after those losses are accounted for.
> Likewise any attempt to postulate judicial equivalence between
> Russia and the U.S.A. Your vexation by Conquest adds spice to the mix.
I smell the charge of moral equivalence here. That dreadful fallacy of applying the same standards to the US that it likes to apply elsewhere ! So it appears, that you are unhappy about "Stalinism", because you follow the conservative political correctness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence) of poignantly Leninist sort.
> My original question was: “If you had to choose between lying to others
> and lying to yourself, which would it be?” A man would answer “the
> former” or “the latter”. Any other answer betokens a bitch.
Have you stopped beating the members of your household and sexually assaulting your dogs ? Be a man, answer "yes" or "no".
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